The ketogenic diet and cancer

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RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by chalmj on Mon Jul 15, 2019 05:02 PM

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So happy to talk to another diet adventurer for truely to those who have done it the ketogenic diet is an adventure.

Yes - I found that my glucose began to rise when I was on the ketogenic diet for a long period of time. Then learned about the dawn phenomenon where constantly low insulin may lead to raised cortisol levels whcih can raise glucose levels in the blood. Began to think, well all my cells are burning fat leaving all that raised glucose for the cancer cells basically thinking the ketogenic diet may not be as benificial to cancer patients as I had first thought. 

So it does seem that it must be cyclic. I like your seasonal time frames making me think what is the best way to do this cycling? Dr. Mercola talks abut this frequently and I think he indicates cycling on a weekly basis.

I'm not sure anyone really knows the best cycling time frame. I think Dr. Steven Phiney, sort of the father of the Ketosis revolution, thinks it's OK to stay in ketosis all the time. Dr. Bary Sears talks about diet to balance hormones as they effect each other and low insulin leads to raised cortisol, etc. 

Currently, I still believe in and am eating a high fat diet but not keeping low carb. I still avoid processed man made high carb foods but I am not measuring ketones or glucose or keeping a food diary as I was in my strict keto days when I was convinced the ketogenic diet could be used as a primary cancer therapy. 



RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by bvburrows on Thu Jul 18, 2019 01:33 PM

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Hi John

Yes I am unsure about ketones and cancer as well.  I see where it is said that ketones can feed our normal cells but starve cancer cells but then I have read that cancer cells can feed off ketone bodies.  Starve cancer of glucose and it goes to another food source and often becomes more resilient during this change.    So it lives off what we live off which makes since cancer is nothing but our very own cells.   So I find myself in the same boat as you.  I no longer keep a very strict keto diet year round.  I have found balance.  I eat whole foods (in season), no sugar, nothing processed, no dairy/grain/soy (due to my sensitives to them).  My diet is about 50% nonstarchy vegetables.  I will go into ketosis in the winter since that is when we would have naturally been in that state unless of course you live nearer to the equator 

RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by chalmj on Fri Jul 19, 2019 04:31 PM

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I like your approach. Currently I have pretty much the same diet as when I was on a strict ketogenic diet.

I have tea in the morning (mixture of black and white tea) loaded with butter or coconut oil or MCT oil for saturated fats and avacodo or olive or algae oil for monounstaturated fats along with things like fiber, minerals, etc.

Lots of fats in the AM so I don't get hungry until my eating window which I try to keep to 6-9 PM. Ocassionally I check my glucose or ketone blood levels to find I might be in mild ketosis, but other times I find I am not. 

For a treat I eat whipped cream mixed with colostrum to boost my immune system with some 85% cocoa dark chocolate and even add some ice cream in at times. I get Bryers natural vanilla ice cream as it only has four ingredients so thinking that is better than these other ice creams that have corn syrup and other ingerdients that have no business being in ice cream. 

The two ingredient words I avoid the most are the words "enriched" and "oil" as enriched means it is a dead food with no nutritional value so they throw in synthetic chemicals like folic acid that is harmful to some 40% of the population with the MTHFR genitic variation like me and these seed oils they put in most processed foods lately because they are cheap but they are extremely harmful as they throw off the important omega3/omega6 ratio/ index. 


RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by skopro on Wed May 06, 2020 01:34 AM

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Greetings from a long lost survivor friend Stefanos Skopros who has been shamelessly out of touch.  Hope your throat cancer is still in remit.  I hv lost track of your actual med history now so if you're still kickin', fill me in.

You may remember if refused chemo/rads for stage 3 (?) lung cancer and then found out I qualified for keytruda immuno treatment it wasn't FDA cleared before) now I'm in a cleared trial in which they use my data but pay my bill.  I've been getting infusions every 21 days, only really annoying side effects a sometimes ferocious itching, dry skin.

I was losing sight in one eye--cancer pushing up the retina & lots of evil hairy stuff swimming @ in there that seems to be resolving; blindness seems to hv stopped.

Srry for so much me, me, me but that's what I hv to fill you in on.  My weight & appetite are super; taking a drug called megestrol acetate---sure does work.  Hope to hear from you, good news i wish but reality is reality.

With kindest regards,

Steve Oberbeck )skropros)

RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by chalmj on Wed May 06, 2020 01:32 PM

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Delighted to hear from you. So happy you are still in this fight.

I too am on Keytruda since mid 2018 as you indicate injections every 3 weeks. My MRI's have consistantly indicated tumor unchanged so not much regression going on. I have the itching rash and gastrointestinal upset. 

I have been searching for ways to boost my immune system. The Keytruda allows the immune system to see the cancer but does nothing to enhance the immune system.

The key things I use to boost my immune system are creatinine monohydrate, colostrum, vitamin c and zinc and recently Red/NIR light therapy also known as photobiomodulation. 

The light therapy is a known immune system booster and currently I am really excited about it. Been doing it for a few months and I believe it is working better than all the rest of the immune boosters I have been working with. I have blood tests showing an explosion of WBC and neotrophils which I think is related to the light therapy.

There is a book entitled The Immunotherapy Revolution by Dr. Jason Williams I would highly recommend as he goes through ways to enhance immunotherapy and the latest and greatest treatments now in clinical trial. He does not mention the creatinine monohydrate or the light therapy though which are the 2 best ways I have found to boost immune systen response. 

What does the megestrol acetate do? I wonder if it might help with my gastrointestinal distress - loose stools, fairly consistanly lately. 

Anyway, so happy to hear from you. Wishing you the best.



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